Housing and its costs
Compared to Europe, people in North America have a lot
more living space. Of course, the extra square feet usually come with
the additional price of a daily two-hour commute, but even in cities,
the apartments tend to be significantly larger. I remember once
overhearing a discussion of two older ladies where they strongly
disapproved a family of two adults and two children sharing an 1100
square feet apartment, for the supposed lack of living space. In
Finland, a family of four having so much apartment space would be
practically luxurious.
When we finally stopped renting after three years of living here and went and bought a place of our own, we paid a bit under two hundred grand (Canadian) for it. As soon as the agent let us in and we looked around, we both knew that this was the place we wanted: the others that we had taken a look at simply did not even compare. Everything from floor to ceiling was better than anything else that we had seen in our price range. The place was virtually a steal, and fortunately nobody else was bidding at the time. It is so much fun not to live in a housing bubble.
The housing prices of Mississauga are significantly lower than in the neighbouring big city Toronto, in which it's hard not to claim that a housing bubble is going on. Nowhere as bad as in certain other large population centers in America, but still. But here in the provincial and much more relaxed Mississauga there is no bubble going on whatsoever, which makes me wonder why more Torontonians don't move here, pocket the difference and commute to the city in, say, the speedy Go Train, reading the paper and playing with the laptop while having a hearty laugh about the savings.
Heck, housing costs here in Mississauga are still significantly lower than even back home in Tampere with its 200,000 inhabitants. Perhaps a more appropriate data point for price comparisons would be Helsinki, which is roughly the same size as Mississauga. So let's compare the prices and see what happens. In Canada we have the MLS listings and in Finland we can use the Huoneistokeskus search form to play around with.
It should quickly become clear that for the same price of roughly 200,000 Canadian dollars, you typically get almost twice as many square feet in Mississauga than in Helsinki or Tampere. And the square feet come with a quality and amenities virtually unheard of in Finnish apartment buildings, such as a 24/7 doorman and guards and a gym. In Finland, you are lucky if your place comes with a dishwasher. And just look at the sad pictures of the apartment buildings themselves, the gray element blocks that look like something out of the Soviet Union. On department in which the Finnish apartment buildings win is that they have real saunas, though. I have yet to see a sauna here that wasn't just somebody's idea of a sad joke, with the temperature remaining under 50C and tossing water on the stove being completely forbidden. But at least here we have the hot tub adjoining the pool. And when the pool area is on the roof level like in our place, you can just lounge in the tub and enjoy the magnificient view over the suburbia.
I remember the first place we moved to in Finland as newlyweds. It was about 350 cozy square feet. But the rent wasn't bad either, less than $300 a month, enabling us the save and completely pay off my student loan in a year or so, and then start investing in the bull market. After a few years of that, we moved to rent a place which was about 900 square feet. That apartment felt nice then (and many of our friends agreed, hoping that they'd find a place as nice), and the rent was still about $800 a month. But I am pretty sure that if I saw that apartment with its plastic floors and the simple bathroom right now, the place would look pretty scummy since our current place has become "the new normal". The day we moved in this place, when the truck driver guy from the moving company first opened the door and stepped in, I remember his first reaction was to gasp and proclaim what an insanely great apartment this is. Remembering what our previous apartment, which had itself been luxurious compared to our previous residence in Finland, had looked like 20 minutes ago when we left it empty, it was hard to disagree with him.
What could be the reason for the massive difference in housing prices between Mississauga and Helsinki? The interest rates are about equal, so that can't be the reason. The population in both areas grows in roughly equal annual rate, and probably actually faster around here, with all the immigrants moving in. Both places get a real winter that requires certain level of insulation. So what could be the reason, then? I can think of only one reason: whereas here the builders can obviously build as much as they want without bureaucrats first putting them through a grinder, in Finland certain people in power find it to be in their own interest to create artificial scarcity of living space. Just try building anything anywhere near anything and see what happens. The cost of construction is probably much higher too, with all the unions and the government taking their cut in every turn. Let's hope that the Finns will eventually wake up and realize how this makes them lose tens of thousands of euros on average, and do something about it.
When we finally stopped renting after three years of living here and went and bought a place of our own, we paid a bit under two hundred grand (Canadian) for it. As soon as the agent let us in and we looked around, we both knew that this was the place we wanted: the others that we had taken a look at simply did not even compare. Everything from floor to ceiling was better than anything else that we had seen in our price range. The place was virtually a steal, and fortunately nobody else was bidding at the time. It is so much fun not to live in a housing bubble.
The housing prices of Mississauga are significantly lower than in the neighbouring big city Toronto, in which it's hard not to claim that a housing bubble is going on. Nowhere as bad as in certain other large population centers in America, but still. But here in the provincial and much more relaxed Mississauga there is no bubble going on whatsoever, which makes me wonder why more Torontonians don't move here, pocket the difference and commute to the city in, say, the speedy Go Train, reading the paper and playing with the laptop while having a hearty laugh about the savings.
Heck, housing costs here in Mississauga are still significantly lower than even back home in Tampere with its 200,000 inhabitants. Perhaps a more appropriate data point for price comparisons would be Helsinki, which is roughly the same size as Mississauga. So let's compare the prices and see what happens. In Canada we have the MLS listings and in Finland we can use the Huoneistokeskus search form to play around with.
It should quickly become clear that for the same price of roughly 200,000 Canadian dollars, you typically get almost twice as many square feet in Mississauga than in Helsinki or Tampere. And the square feet come with a quality and amenities virtually unheard of in Finnish apartment buildings, such as a 24/7 doorman and guards and a gym. In Finland, you are lucky if your place comes with a dishwasher. And just look at the sad pictures of the apartment buildings themselves, the gray element blocks that look like something out of the Soviet Union. On department in which the Finnish apartment buildings win is that they have real saunas, though. I have yet to see a sauna here that wasn't just somebody's idea of a sad joke, with the temperature remaining under 50C and tossing water on the stove being completely forbidden. But at least here we have the hot tub adjoining the pool. And when the pool area is on the roof level like in our place, you can just lounge in the tub and enjoy the magnificient view over the suburbia.
I remember the first place we moved to in Finland as newlyweds. It was about 350 cozy square feet. But the rent wasn't bad either, less than $300 a month, enabling us the save and completely pay off my student loan in a year or so, and then start investing in the bull market. After a few years of that, we moved to rent a place which was about 900 square feet. That apartment felt nice then (and many of our friends agreed, hoping that they'd find a place as nice), and the rent was still about $800 a month. But I am pretty sure that if I saw that apartment with its plastic floors and the simple bathroom right now, the place would look pretty scummy since our current place has become "the new normal". The day we moved in this place, when the truck driver guy from the moving company first opened the door and stepped in, I remember his first reaction was to gasp and proclaim what an insanely great apartment this is. Remembering what our previous apartment, which had itself been luxurious compared to our previous residence in Finland, had looked like 20 minutes ago when we left it empty, it was hard to disagree with him.
What could be the reason for the massive difference in housing prices between Mississauga and Helsinki? The interest rates are about equal, so that can't be the reason. The population in both areas grows in roughly equal annual rate, and probably actually faster around here, with all the immigrants moving in. Both places get a real winter that requires certain level of insulation. So what could be the reason, then? I can think of only one reason: whereas here the builders can obviously build as much as they want without bureaucrats first putting them through a grinder, in Finland certain people in power find it to be in their own interest to create artificial scarcity of living space. Just try building anything anywhere near anything and see what happens. The cost of construction is probably much higher too, with all the unions and the government taking their cut in every turn. Let's hope that the Finns will eventually wake up and realize how this makes them lose tens of thousands of euros on average, and do something about it.
I don't know about Canada, let alone Finland, but one thing that has contributed to high housing prices in the United States is the income tax deduction for mortgage payments. It is just about the only major tax break available to the non-wealthy.
Peter
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Posted by Anonymous | 9:41 PM
The difference is that everyone in finland wants to live in tampere/helsinki/oulu.
During the last 10 years, there has been a influx of people to the growth areas larger.
To deal with unbalanced growth you can either:
a) bring growth to the rest of Finland
b) keep building more housing to the growth areas
your solution, b), brings even more growth and jobs to the current growth areas..
Posted by Anonymous | 3:34 AM
Greetings from Finland.
The biggest thing in Finland that's causing huge housing costs is the planning politics of the 3 cities in the Helsinki metropolitan area - they want to keep the land prices insanely high (300k€ for a lot for a single family house, sounds reasonable? - welcome to Espoo).
Second thing causing this is that due that in the 60's and 70's there was huge government fund issued loans (named ARAVA, dunno how it translates) that had strict regulations on the maximum sizes (and quality!) on the apartments it funded. It was too cheap compared to ordinary loans so it simply wasn't reasonable for anyone to build housing funded in other ways. The results? Soviet looking concrete blocks.
Third problem is insane progressive taxation that causes that to be able to pay double the mortgage (or rent) you need to earn 4-5 times more...
But yes, the labor unions have been always too powerful (we currently have a lawyer of the biggest labour organization as a president at the moment - how sick is that?) and that has caused the prices of all manpower-oriented industries to rise for 50 years straight...
Posted by kimvais | 3:41 AM
"I remember once overhearing a discussion of two older ladies where they strongly disapproved a family of two adults and two children sharing an 1100 square feet apartment, for the supposed lack of living space. In Finland, a family of four having so much apartment space would be practically luxurious."
Actually, 1100 square feet perfectly normal for Finnish a family of two adults and two children, not luxurious. Stick to reality, please.
Posted by Markku | 12:09 PM
Nevertheless, I think Ilkka is perfectly right in that ordinary Finns get a raw deal compared to Canadians. I also think that excess bureaucracy and regulation in Finland is the main reason for the sorry state of affairs.
Posted by Markku | 12:15 PM
Well, first off, things aren't that bad in Finland, if you think about what we have and the amount of bureaucracy. Now, if you imagine a bureaucracy that is one tenth of what we have now. That's how much potential we still have. The excess bureaucracy becomes ever so apparent in the Greater Helsinki Region, with the two biggest cities (by population) of Finland, Helsinki and Espoo being virtually cramped into each other and Vantaa bounding off Helsinki in the north as well. One effective way of removing excess bureaucracy would be to unite the 4 municipalties that are usually considered the capital region. This has some problems as well, but let us not get into that. Is you say, builders have togo through an even larger amount of bureaucratic bullshit to get a permit to build anything. Anybody has the right to complain if some planned construction doesn't suit them or strike their fancy. This needs to be changed too. Only well founded complaints by people who are directly affected by teh construction should have the right to start a complaint. These are just a few things to consider, with lots more out there.
Posted by Mikko | 3:42 PM
Here in Finland the bureaucracy is nuts. I just finished building a garage, and the bureaucracy took about as much work than building the damn garage! Bureacracy also took more time than building!
I would have liked to build in summer, so I started to apply for permit in january. Got the permit in the middle of September!Nuts...
Posted by Anonymous | 5:06 AM