Some machine is doing that for you
If
the transhumanists get their way, we could live to be hundreds of years
old and we might even thrive if we were still alive in the year 2525.
Of course, the working assumption here is that the extra years are
added to the first half of your adult years before the middle age when
we are young and healthy instead of to the end when we are old and
feeble. As anybody can verify by visiting an old folks' home, becoming
very old is a fate so horrible that it is almost beyond what we can
imagine, and prolonging this stage by several centuries would be
something that only a sadist at the level of Dr. Mengele might come up
with. As The Danimal
once noted, if somebody invented a raygun whose hit would have the
physical effect of aging its target 60 years, this weapon would be
immediately banned and its very manufacture would probably be declared
to be a crime against humanity.
As I wrote in my previous post, I am an economic ignoramus, so perhaps somebody more familiar with this dismal science could explain the following problem that I have. For the sake of argument, let's assume that we humans were otherwise the same as we are now, with the same skills and technology and the subjective sense of time, but that the average human lifespan was something like 500 years instead of 70 years that it is now. How would this make the world different? For starters, it would be much better, obviously, assuming the overcrowding problem were somehow solved. A person could have an ordinary career for 40 years, and then move on to do something completely different, living in freedom with your accumulated savings while instead of being an old doober he would still have the body of a young thirtysomething. But therein lies a huge problem.
In our world, middle-aged people have typically accumulated more knowledge and economic and political power than young people, but not really that much more, so that they can't really boss around us twenty- and thirtysomethings too badly. But in our hypothetical scenario, if somebody were able to accumulate wealth and power exponentially for a few centuries, this would make him immensely powerful, almost godlike, compared to young adults who are only at the start of their lives. Investing 10% of his annual net income would make the average person a billionaire in perhaps about 100 to 150 years, thanks to the magic of compound interest, and thus reach a total liberty to only do things that were interesting and pleasant to him. A billionaire never has to do any "work" or toil and moil in drudgery in any meaningful sense of these words, since he has an army of henchmen at his disposal to do all his laundry, cleaning, cooking, driving or flying him wherever he feels like going each day, handling his taxes and other finances etc. For a billionaire to actually be a "billionaire" the way that we comprehend this word, there necessarily has to exist a large number of people who produces all the goods and services that the billionaire consumes.
The value that money really has is not in the number printed on the bill but in what you can buy with it, because anything that anybody consumes, somebody else has to produce. Thanks to these unavoidable facts, I don't see how a society in which three out of four people were billionaires would be possible. Something has got to give, but what exactly, since we know that even conservative investing habit would make pretty much every bicentennial man a billionaire?
The only solution to this economic conundrum that I could come up with is that if the average human lifespan were 500 years, then money would be essentially worthless, and there would be massive annual inflation which would make the real interest rates heavily negative. If most people were billionaires, they would have to compete for the non-billionaires' labour so intensely that you would have to pay some young guy a monthly salary of a million bucks to have him flip hamburgers. Money being worthless, most of the economy would probably run in some kind of bartering basis. But if the older people couldn't really accumulate money, what would they accumulate instead?
One solution would be to increase the labor pool by inventing better technology to do all the work. We know that this works, since precisely this solution has effectively made the average person to live better than a billionaire hundred years ago. Such a rapid techonological boost would even be likely, since we would have the great minds working and accumulating new knowledge for centuries.
On the other hand, if we think about another extreme scenario in which the average human lifespan was only 20 years so that a person would reach physical adulthood in 4 years, money would be pretty important and the interest rates would be enormously high. (I know I certainly wouldn't give away my money for a significant chunk of my lifetime without getting an enormous return to show for it.) And this assuming the whole concept of interest even existed, since such a short-term society would probably never proceed past the prehistoric age, assuming that humans were as slow to learn things as they are now.
Would the length of the human lifespan be another instance of the anthropic principle so that the universe appears as if it was designed for human life? Not too hot, not too cold, but just right. Maybe not. But at least it shows that our physical makeup exerts constraints to us that are not immediately obvious, and if some other species would have evolved to be intelligent, their society would necessarily be quite different from the society of us hairless apes.
As I wrote in my previous post, I am an economic ignoramus, so perhaps somebody more familiar with this dismal science could explain the following problem that I have. For the sake of argument, let's assume that we humans were otherwise the same as we are now, with the same skills and technology and the subjective sense of time, but that the average human lifespan was something like 500 years instead of 70 years that it is now. How would this make the world different? For starters, it would be much better, obviously, assuming the overcrowding problem were somehow solved. A person could have an ordinary career for 40 years, and then move on to do something completely different, living in freedom with your accumulated savings while instead of being an old doober he would still have the body of a young thirtysomething. But therein lies a huge problem.
In our world, middle-aged people have typically accumulated more knowledge and economic and political power than young people, but not really that much more, so that they can't really boss around us twenty- and thirtysomethings too badly. But in our hypothetical scenario, if somebody were able to accumulate wealth and power exponentially for a few centuries, this would make him immensely powerful, almost godlike, compared to young adults who are only at the start of their lives. Investing 10% of his annual net income would make the average person a billionaire in perhaps about 100 to 150 years, thanks to the magic of compound interest, and thus reach a total liberty to only do things that were interesting and pleasant to him. A billionaire never has to do any "work" or toil and moil in drudgery in any meaningful sense of these words, since he has an army of henchmen at his disposal to do all his laundry, cleaning, cooking, driving or flying him wherever he feels like going each day, handling his taxes and other finances etc. For a billionaire to actually be a "billionaire" the way that we comprehend this word, there necessarily has to exist a large number of people who produces all the goods and services that the billionaire consumes.
The value that money really has is not in the number printed on the bill but in what you can buy with it, because anything that anybody consumes, somebody else has to produce. Thanks to these unavoidable facts, I don't see how a society in which three out of four people were billionaires would be possible. Something has got to give, but what exactly, since we know that even conservative investing habit would make pretty much every bicentennial man a billionaire?
The only solution to this economic conundrum that I could come up with is that if the average human lifespan were 500 years, then money would be essentially worthless, and there would be massive annual inflation which would make the real interest rates heavily negative. If most people were billionaires, they would have to compete for the non-billionaires' labour so intensely that you would have to pay some young guy a monthly salary of a million bucks to have him flip hamburgers. Money being worthless, most of the economy would probably run in some kind of bartering basis. But if the older people couldn't really accumulate money, what would they accumulate instead?
One solution would be to increase the labor pool by inventing better technology to do all the work. We know that this works, since precisely this solution has effectively made the average person to live better than a billionaire hundred years ago. Such a rapid techonological boost would even be likely, since we would have the great minds working and accumulating new knowledge for centuries.
On the other hand, if we think about another extreme scenario in which the average human lifespan was only 20 years so that a person would reach physical adulthood in 4 years, money would be pretty important and the interest rates would be enormously high. (I know I certainly wouldn't give away my money for a significant chunk of my lifetime without getting an enormous return to show for it.) And this assuming the whole concept of interest even existed, since such a short-term society would probably never proceed past the prehistoric age, assuming that humans were as slow to learn things as they are now.
Would the length of the human lifespan be another instance of the anthropic principle so that the universe appears as if it was designed for human life? Not too hot, not too cold, but just right. Maybe not. But at least it shows that our physical makeup exerts constraints to us that are not immediately obvious, and if some other species would have evolved to be intelligent, their society would necessarily be quite different from the society of us hairless apes.
Well, I don't know exactly what would happen, but I figure that capital would become a lot cheaper relative to labour. People would have more time in their lives to build up capital, the purpose of which is to make labour easier, and thus they would have less need to labour, so you'd have to pay them more to do it. A society of billionaires, then, wouldn't be particularly rich in terms of services, but capital-intensive items would be more affordable.
Also, I don't think it's possible that money would stop being valuable. The whole point of money is to be worth something. I doubt that hyperinflation is possible without radical government malfeasance (most governments, even the particularly bad ones, manage to avoid hyperinflation almost all the time). You're probably right that interest rates would be a lot lower.
Posted by Otto Kerner | 10:23 PM
Compound interest has made billionaires in past, but it is just because real economy has grown. In your scenario, it is quite possible that real economy don't grow and so real interest rates are not so high. Probably they are even negative.
In the end, financial reality is just reflection of real reality, a fact that some people seem to forget.
Posted by Anonymous | 3:33 AM
Completely unrelated to this, but has something happened to Nikolas Lloyd? The links to his university web pages won't work anymore. Did the fascist veggies finally get him?
Posted by Anonymous | 9:39 AM
Marginal Revolution recently linked to "Why Men Won't Dance", probably causing a lot of traffic and attention. Since the pages went offline short after that, I would assume that that caused it.
Since Marginal Revolution hat tipped Newmark's Door, to which I had recently linked to, there is a small chance that I helped give Lloyd this attention boost. His writings are so good that they would really deserve it.
Posted by Ilkka Kokkarinen | 9:46 AM
One major consequence of longer lifespans will be greater risk aversion. Accidental deaths will be far more tragic than they are now. What would be the economic consequences of this?
Posted by Anonymous | 1:43 PM
The most obvious effect would be some combination of lower interest rates and a reduced rate of savings.
Posted by Glaivester | 7:44 PM
I think a higher percentage of people would learn how to save, but not all. There would still be plenty of people living paycheck to paycheck, or worse. Much would change in this scenario, but human nature would remain a powerful force.
Posted by Mike | 5:24 PM