But... but... there is no agreed-upon definition of intelligence!
Every smart kid learned in school how dangerous it is to be smarter than everybody else. I find it amazing that most of the smart people who post here seem to have internalized this lesson so completely they don't realize it's an act.
Every organization that has
to compete in the real world against objective standards knows
perfectly well the value of intelligence, and aims to seek and promote
it as well as it can. So it is always a funny sight when an intelligent
person who knows perfectly well how important and beneficial
intelligence has been for him or her goes to pretend in public that
intelligence is not really that important. Anything to keep the hordes
of marching morons from attacking you in their seething resentment.
Of
course, this gets even funnier when the IQ deniers temporarily forget
their act and start denouncing the intelligence of their opponents,
that is, the people who explicitly point out that intelligence is
important. In this case, it might be fun to ask the intelligent IQ
deniers what was the IQ of the person with the lowest IQ who they
considered to be their intellectual peer. Even professional bleeding
hearts who try to avoid being judgemental will typically prefer to
respect stupid people from a safe distance. Their actions and choices
usually more than amply demonstrate that in reality, the intelligent IQ
deniers absolutely despise
people whose intelligence is significantly lower than theirs. Sometimes
they even accidentally reveal this attitude explicitly when they think
that nobody is watching, as in the post "Army Signs on Mouth-Breathers" at Pandagon,
although now that I tried to link to it, I noticed this post has
mysteriously vanished from the site. I wonder why, since especially the
comments therein were full of such delicious mockery of people who
can't get high scores in the Armed Forces standard test. (Which would
be the majority of people.)
The Danimal once wrote that the funniest thing about "The Bell Curve"
is the way that its vocal opponents implicitly validate its basic
message by being college-educated whites whose IQ is over 125. After
all, the main message of the book is that IQ essentially puts you in
your place in a meritocratic society. I am not entirely sure how that
is supposed to be controversial, and for the whole crapstorm of
criticisms that this book fanned up, I doubt that anyone can point me
to a valid and coherent criticism of the concept of IQ or The Bell
Curve that was written by someone whose IQ was less than 85. Or even
100. So apparently IQ is not entirely
meaningless, since a certain level of IQ seems to be absolutely
necessary for somebody to be able to be a good leftist and denounce the
whole notion of IQ and its practical importance!
But perhaps the
book is opposed for its supposed moral implications. Such arguments, as
Jamie Whyte pointed out in his little book "Crimes Against Logic",
implicitly admit that the facts indeed do have those moral implications
if they turn out to be true. Or perhaps the leftists just try to cope
with their cognitive dissonance using the tacit assumption that
intelligence really is important, but only the benevolent and
enlightened elite should be allowed to know this, because if everyone
knew this, the masses would engage in an orgy of destruction that
culminates in the eerie smoke rising from the concentration camp. Or
something.
By the way, about that moral superiority. I find it
pretty strange that the people who are worried that admitting that
intelligence is important and that different groups are blessed with
different amounts of intelligence will lead to slavery and oppression,
are the ones in this debate who are constantly saying that their
opponents are "subhuman" (or some equivalent thereof) and using
eliminationist rhetoric. Come on, just read through any debate about
this topic. The frustrated leftist haughtily saying "If you believe
that not all people have equal value, then you are subhuman scum" has a
nice self-refuting Moorean ring to it, don't you think? Just like the
other classic lefty favourite "If you believe that intelligence is
important, then you are a stupid moron".
Curiously enough,
leftists seem to have no compunctions in pointing out various ways that
whites are deficient or inferior than other groups whenever they think
that they have found some. This is especially true, as I pointed out in
my earlier post "Inbred Jed",
when it comes to the rural whites in the American South. Leftists will
triumphantly announce and list the many ways in which the Southerners
are inherently inferior as they are less intelligent, more prone to
crime and violence, lazy, obese... All that you'd need to do is to
substitute "black" for "Southerner" in these rants (and perhaps
"watermelon" for "grits"), and the result would be something that you
might only find in a neo-nazi website.
In any debate about IQ,
the leftists are also practically guaranteed to use the strawman
argument in which their opponents are supposedly claiming that all
whites are smarter than all nonwhites anywhere. They can then
triumphantly refute this argument by pointing out some successful and
intelligent black man and mockingly ask their opponent if they think
that he is stupid, uh, uh? Perhaps the reality-based side should also
start using the exact same argument, in the spirit that TangoMan of Gene Expression suggests in "Liberal Duality on Lewontinism".
So next time when some leftist claims that people of colour are
"oppressed", just sneer how silly he is to think that all white people
everywhere are better off than all black people, and triumphantly point
out individual examples to trivially refute this. With suitable
sleights of hand, you might even succeed in painting the leftist as the
"racist" who doesn't believe that all people are equally good in
everything.
By the way, sorry, did I say "black" and "white"?
That was certainly very silly of me, since as we all have heard a
thousand times, races don't really exist. What we call "races" are
nothing but imaginary social constructs with no biological basis
whatsoever. This is why it is so very strange that I have noticed,
based on my observational experience, that whenever somebody says that
races don't really exist, the person making this claim always seems to
turn out to be white. This curious correlation makes me at least
somewhat suspicious of the truthiness of this claim. I don't know if
the proponents of this claim have tested it by, instead of preaching it
only to each other, travelling to Latin America, Africa or Asia to see
how this idea would be received there. Oh, I can already imagine the
young leftist in his long hair and round glasses explaining to the
oppressed people in Soweto how there are no real differences between
them so that they are all brothers, united in the fight against the
eternal oppression perpetuated by the straight able-bodied white males.
More seriously, as the frequent commenter Catilina once noted in his blog,
white leftists rarely seem to realize that they are indeed white and
exclusively products of the Western culture. After all, the Western
leftist imagines that under all those superficial differences of funny
hats, exotic food and different music that are ultimately just
Disneyland, everybody already thinks just like him.
In reality, even though all cultures are equal, no other culture on
Earth has anything that ideologically resembles the modern Western
leftist even for the slightest, a fact that the leftist apologetics
cannot even begin to explain away.
There are three ways in which your rhetorical gimmickery fails the harsh and cruel realities of logic and empirical facts.
Firstly, there is no logical fallacy in pointing out stupidity, even if a 'leftist' axiom is that IQ does not exist. The gimmick you use is that you simply assume stupidity means lack of IQ, which of course it need not mean. Even less is this a problem for a bleeding heart intellectual ostracizing those with a low IQ.
(Logically your argument could be reduced to something like deliberately choosing the wrong variables as independent in linear regression.)
Secondly, striking out at the 'inbred southeners' is not a case of double standards, since the person pointing out the faults of these poor bastards invariably is of the same reference group, i.e., white.
Third, and this is very important, a white man at a rally in Soweto probably would be quite comfortable. Especially with the kind of message you stated, I have very little doubt that the worst that would happen is he would meet some humorous remarks. (I guess you've never been to ZA. You really ought to try, though I wouldn't recommend Jo'burg, mostly due to the crime rate)
Posted by Tiedemies | 1:59 PM
A gross deficit in IQ is more often than not referred to as "stupidity". Since you are at it you might want to construct a testable and valid measure of SQ, which in turn we might find having some kind of inverse correlation with IQ.
There is certainly a double standard at work here. In certain situations there is a real and measurable inherited mental property existing whereas in excatly identical cases there is none, depending on the likes and dislikes of the postulator.
It would be ill advised to partake in any considerable rally of any kind anywhere while bearing a definite and marked hall mark of a recognized "enemy". "Encountering the Otherness" has its place in Gender studies but testing it too close in real life situations would bespeak a high SQ.
Posted by Catilina | 2:36 PM
Secondly, striking out at the 'inbred southeners' is not a case of double standards, since the person pointing out the faults of these poor bastards invariably is of the same reference group, i.e., white.
Don't multicultists think that race is a social construct(i.e. "race does not exist"). But it is a "reference group" ? In any case the whites (?) making the criticisms of lower-class whites(?) rarely see themselves as having anything in common with such "reference groups" as "rednecks", "hillbillies", "crackers", etc. I suspect that many of these critics might even be Jews and- outside Kinky Friedman's road show shtick- no one has ever met a Jewish redneck.
Posted by Anonymous | 6:04 PM
Firstly, it does not matter what is "referred to". Your argument actually is a worse violation of logic than Ilkka's original. Postulating stupidity does not require a concept of IQ. It may be that empirically these happen to be dependent, but that is not a problem. A lot of things are dependent, without implying causality.
Again, I refer to a deliberate bad choice of independent variables in linear regression.
Secondly, double standards would mean that we have a certain characterics that separates two groups. When white in white trash is emphasized, it is done by white people, i.e., people that share the same characteristic. No statement is made of black people. It need not be the case that such distinction is even relevant (or existant, for that matter).
Thirdly, mr Caitilina, your retort is an outstanding example of why your attitude is called prejudice. I would be willing to take a 4:7 wager of a small amount of money that you have never been to ZA either, nor have you, e.g., engaged in a discussion about racial and cultural problematics with someone who considers you to be on the "other side".
Posted by Tiedemies | 1:44 AM
NS German critiques of Jews were not indicative of "double standards",or even hatred, because both Germans and Jews were white.
Posted by Anonymous | 11:08 AM