Sixteen Volts

Actually, I think this idea about "feminist self-defence" (that's what it's called) is encouraging: it admits that self-defence is a good thing. Usually, the respectable attitude in Sweden seems to be that fighting back is silly ("löjligt"), and maybe downright immoral. It remains to be seen whether it will be regarded as a right for everyone (including men) rather than a special privilege for rape victims.

BTW, enough with the Balle stuff! Swedes aren't called Balle. Maybe Finno-Swedes are, but Swedish Swedes in Sweden are not. They might be called Olle or Kalle, Ville or Nalle, but not Balle (esp. since balle is a four letter word).

And one more thing: if there is such a word as humpa it's spelled with one p. You'd better brush up on your Swedish, Ilkka.

Hieno otsikko, Ilkka.

As you said, girl throwing the punches is chairperson of Left Party HJ in Stockholm. Her name is Selquah Alsaati Edmundh. I guess she could pass as a stereotypical Swedish blonde in Toronto.

But just based on her name, I guess that her father was from Norway. And I take from your innuendo that all those nasty rapists and gang-rapists are immigrants, probably second or third generation, men whose parents came from Norway but have long since been subjects of Swedish crown.

Now I'd like you to tell us what is the real problem here and the"real solution that would prevent this Norwegian-Swedish chick from getting raped?

Please don't be shy. I mean, like, she is a Left Party member, feminist and everything, probably sleeps with both Olle and Balle (if not with Ireen and Eva) and makes all those Norwegian guys even madder at her. She is at most risk of getting raped, and I bet she would welcome the real solution. Imagine changing the life of a whole generation in Sweden.

Of course, the real solution would not involve people originally from Norway, like herself and her father and brothers, being sent back to Norway. You know that would not prevent her from getting raped. And I'm afraid the option number two - Gulag lagers somewhere way up in north - is also out of question. You can't really trust those kapos and pridurki with a nice girl like Selquah.

Oh no. Humppa is spelled with double p in Swedish:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humppa

"Humppaa tai kuole" - "Humppa eller dö" - is a cover song by Finnish group "Eläkeläiset", originally "No limit" by 2unlimited. Definitely twice in lifetime experience. First and last time at the same time.

Well then, maybe it is spelled humppa, but I still claim it should be spelled with one p. So there.

Ilkka says:


The leftists will grasp onto anything as long as they don't have to look into the real nature of the problem and actually have to come up with real solutions that work, instead of trying to solve a more fun problem that they would like to imagine is out there. Hey, I bet that all these rapes are perpetrated by white middle-aged Swedish men who can no longer legally enslave Swedish womyn by purchasing sex from prostitutes. That must be it. All together now, girls, let's practice kicking Olle and Balle to the balls, that should teach those disgusting specimen of the Swedish patriarchy that they can't oppress womyn!


In some sense this illustrates a modern Western practice. That of making women feel good and empowered (just watch shows like Smallville where women are shown doing things that they generally have no hope of doing, like breaking through firewalls, configuring Cisco routers, and so on) and hoping that males will change just by being presented with such images.

As a counter example, I know of a modern woman who had an open relationship with her boyfiend. She got pregnant, and when the baby was born and was clearly not his child (something to do with the color of its skin), he kicked her out.

He probably said something to her like "Sure I promised to love you no matter what, but that was so I could get into your pants. If you wanted to give out free sex, you have to pay the price. That's life."

Ilkka: these self-defence classes might not help her against a gang of five rapists, but it sure might help her against one.

BTW, I have often been wondering how the leftists who organize girls' and woman's self-defence classes would react to pistol-shooting classes organized for the same purpose.

Loki: movies and TV-shows often show trained professionals and dedicated amateurs doing things that an average citizen has no hope of doing. What makes you think that the purpose of this is making viewers of the same sex as the character feel empowered?

Leftists only like the idea of women talking self defense classes.

Men are the major victims of all violent crimes. Yes even rape. Far more men are raped in prison then women inside and outside of prison combined.

Why aren't the leftists giving free self defense classes for men?

Two reasons: first, masculine role enculturation as a rule involves 'free self-defense classes' (AKA the School of Hard Knocks); second, *everybody* values male well-being, safety, health, and lives less. Virtually every industrialized culture's high standard of living depends critically upon the constant and steady resupply stream of willingly self-sacrificing men to replace those expended and discarded.

Essentially, we train males from the cradle to willingly sacrifice their own well-being, safety, health, and lives so that we can all have lower prices on goods, services, manufacturing, and infrastructure. Thus, who cares if they can defend themselves? After all, they're really just there to be used up and thrown away anyways.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1300

Muslim anti-female violence in the West is a symptom of the breakdown of the feminist Utopia. Freedoms need to be enforced by violence or the credible threat of violence, or they are meaningless. Even though women can take steps to protect themselves, the primary responsibility for protection will probably always belong to men. Women will thus only have as much freedom as their men are willing and capable of guaranteeing them. It is a major flaw in many feminist theories that they fail to acknowledge this.

The difference between women’s rights and women’s illusions is defined by a Smith and Wesson, not by a Betty Friedan or a Virginia Wolf.

Writer Lars Hedegaard in Denmark does not buy into the theory that women approve of Muslim immigration out of irrational naivety or ideological conviction. He thinks they simply want it, as he writes in a column entitled “The dream of submission.” He does notice, as I do, that women are more likely than men to support parties that are open for more Muslim immigration.

Why is this, considering that there is hardly a single Muslim majority area in the world where women enjoy the same rights as men? And Hedegaard asks a provocative question: Are women more stupid and less enlightened than men, since they in such great numbers are paving the way for their own submission? He comes up with an equally provocative answer: “When women are paving the way for sharia, this is presumably because women want sharia.” They don’t want freedom because they feel attracted to subservience and subjugation.

The English author Fay Weldon has noted that “For women, there is something sexually very alluring about submission.” And as Hedegaard dryly notes, if submission is what many women seek, the feminized Danish men are boring compared to desert sheikhs who won’t allow you to go outside without permission. Muslims like to point out that there are more women than men in the West who convert to Islam, and this is in fact partly true. Islam means “submission.” Is there something about submission that is more appealing to some women than it is to most men? Do women yield more easily to power?

In a newspaper article about Swedish women converting to Islam, the attraction of the Islamic family life seems to be a common feature among women converts. Several of them state that in Islam, the man is more rational and logical, while the woman is more emotional and caring. This means that the woman should be the one to take care of the children and do the housekeeping, while the man should be the one to work and provide for the family. Many of the women feel that their lives lack a sense of purpose, but Christianity does not seem like a relevant alternative to them.

The fixation with looks in our modern society and the tougher living conditions for women, who are supposed to both have a career and do the housekeeping, play a part, too. Which is curious, considering the fact that it was women themselves, encouraged by modern talk show hostesses such as Oprah Winfrey, who talked about “having it all”; it wasn’t the men. Men know that nobody can “have it all,” you have to give up something to get something. Maybe women have discovered that working life wasn’t all that it was cracked up to be? Men do, after all, universally die years before women all over the world.

The plot of novelist Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code is that the modern history of Christianity was a big, patriarchal plot to deprive women of the rights they supposedly enjoyed before this, during the age of “the sacred feminine” and the fertility goddesses who were always barefoot and pregnant. But if that’s the case, why is it that women make up the majority of Europe’s churchgoers? Why do women, out of their own free will, seek out these oppressive, patriarchal religions? Maybe French philosopher Ernest Renan was onto something when he called women “the devout sex.” Do women need religion more than men?

Are some feminists simply testing out men’s limits in the hope of finding some new balance between the sexes, or are they testing men to find our which men are strong enough to stand up to their demands, and thus which men can stand up to other men on their behalf? I heard one woman who was an ardent feminist in the 1970s later lament how many families they broke up and destroyed. She was surprised at the reaction, or lack of reaction, from men: “We were horrible. Why didn’t you stop us?”

In psychiatry, female patients are seen more frequently with self-inflicted wounds or self-destructive behaviour than men, who tend to direct their aggression outwards. It is also a well-known fact that many women blame themselves for abusive husbands, and make excuses for their abusers’ behavior. Has the West adopted some of the negative traits of the female psyche? The newly feminized West gets attacked and assaulted by the Arab and Islamic world, and continues to blame itself, while at the same time be fascinated by its abusers. It is thus behaving in the same way as a self-loathing woman towards an abusive man.

Vera asked:


Loki: movies and TV-shows often show trained professionals and dedicated amateurs doing things that an average citizen has no hope of doing. What makes you think that the purpose of this is making viewers of the same sex as the character feel empowered?


That is not what I said. Males have testosterone coursing through their bodies from week 8 of gestation. We don't need to be empowered.

My comment was directed towards the fantasy world created by these shows where women massing less that the men involved are shown routinely kicking ass and doing the things that men do but which women routinely show no interest in, like breaking into networks, figuring out how computers work, and so on.